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August 11th, 2003

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01:34 pm
I was filling out one of those quizzy thingies that I always do but never post, and there was a very interesting question posed.
I'd like to put it to you all, because I'm really curious about the answers.

Poll #167187 political meddling.

If you could rig the next [presidential] election so that your candidate of choice came out on top, and no one but you would know it was fixed, would you?

Yes, it would help turn things around.
No, that's no way to foster a free society.

Please leave a comment with why you answered what you did. (I prefer discussion to typing in a poll.) You don't have to, but I'd like it if everyone reading this responded.
mood: curiouscurious
music: me talking to a customer. yeah multi-tasking!

(37 bits of drivel | babble incoherently)


Date:August 11th, 2003 10:41 am (UTC)
Fuck yeah. Id find an independant candidate who dont mind ruffling some feathers to get rid of the bullshit weve had in office for a while. I dont usually get into the politics but Bush put the last straw on my back with that bullshit about marriage being "an insitution between men and women only". Ignorant fucking farmboy.
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Date:August 11th, 2003 10:56 am (UTC)
amen brutha.

wow, so you southerners can be culturally enlightened then?
will the wonders never cease...
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Date:August 11th, 2003 10:43 am (UTC)
It reminds me of the demotivator at despair.com for Meetings:

None of us is as dumb as all of us.

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Date:August 11th, 2003 10:57 am (UTC)
yeah, much like it.
this question makes my head hurt.
just curious, where'd you find me from? no friends in common and all...
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Date:August 11th, 2003 10:44 am (UTC)
i have suspicions that the last election was tampered with and i don't want to descend to that level. i don't think the end justifies the means very often. free should be free, and i'm feeling less free all the time. :/
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Date:August 11th, 2003 10:58 am (UTC)
I'd like to feel that way, but damnit it would be such a good thing if I could determine the outcome!
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Date:August 11th, 2003 10:51 am (UTC)
I wish I could feel more high minded, but my instict is to say, "Hell yeah!" At this point I feel my decision would lead to a better outcome than the political process would.
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Date:August 11th, 2003 11:00 am (UTC)
yeah, I'm the same. but what good is democracy if it's not democracy? it's an intelligencia. The masses aren't intelligent, and they deserve to get what they want in an elected official. I vote for who I want, they vote for who they want, whoever's got more, wins. (except if the year happens to end in three zeros.)

I value the concept of democracy, but I lament the stupidity of the american public. You'll notice I haven't answered this poll yet. I can't.
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Date:August 11th, 2003 11:48 am (UTC)
yeah, but we gotta live with the consequences of the ignorant masses. they're making our bed too.

not that i disagree.
I can't bring myself to even just click on one of the responses so I can see what other people are doing, I have to go through 4 clicks instead. ;o)
total moral dillema on my part. in theory I agree with you, but 4 more years of this dipshit make me wonder what I'd do if the opportunity presented itself.
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Date:August 11th, 2003 03:11 pm (UTC)
As good as making sure the candidate that I want to win wins sounds, I had to say no. Fixing an election just to make sure my beliefs come out on top is no way to run a society - who's to say that my way is the best way? (Freakin' anthropologist coming out there.)
Plus, rigging an election sounds a bit too much like 2000.
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Date:August 11th, 2003 04:31 pm (UTC)
You mean things like trying to force recounts in the counties where your candidate lost, and trying to reassign votes from one candidate to another?

Yeah, that DOES sound like an attempted rigging.
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Date:August 11th, 2003 04:07 pm (UTC)
I had to say yes. I believe in democracy as an ideal, but alas I do not have the nessecary faith in the general american population. So when all else fails, enlightened despotism can be a good thing. And even if I got the president I wanted, in theory there'd still be the senate and the house foiling any plans he had to do soething good. :P
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Date:August 11th, 2003 04:35 pm (UTC)
What, you mean you just don't have the faith that their beliefs will be the same as yours?

What gives you the right to determine what's best for people over the will of the people themselves?

Oh, wait, nothing did. Hypothetical, whew.
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Date:August 11th, 2003 05:20 pm (UTC)
I joined the over-optimistic masses who chose not to rig it. It's what sidebarboy said, you cheat or you don't.

Or to be silly, if I don't like the masses as many have pointed out here that they don't(disagreement with their opinions, etc) why should I want to give them the government that I want? They don't want it and I'm selfish, I keep the good stuff for myself.
Date:August 11th, 2003 07:18 pm (UTC)
A president alone could never hope to fix the things that are wrong in our society. Congress and the courts would obstruct any progress that a Repair The Country president might try to make.

Now, if I could dictate the results of the elections of large segments of Congress (and state legislatures, too), along with judicial appointments...aww, fuck it. Just give me military control and I'll pull a coup.

Extreme `solutions' aside, one excellent first step in the right direction would be campaign finance and election reform. Start calling bribes `bribes' again and prosecute for their use, and establish strict limits on campaign spending. Create a campaign fund that is evenly divided between all candidates for a race, outlawing any outside campaign finance from the process (with reasonable entry requirements for new candidates - we don't want to be giving campaign sums to just ANY bum off the street...the bum needs to be a POPULAR bum!).

Yes, this limits your ability to spend your money as you see fit. However, what is wrong with limits like this? It contributes to the idea of `one person, one vote' by reducing the effect that one person can have on the process through massive spending campaigns.
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Date:August 12th, 2003 06:10 am (UTC)
But how do you determine what the problems are?

Some people say a big problem is (let's say) there are too many guns on the streets...

Others say that there are not enough guns in the hands of responsible Americans (boy, that sounds weighted, doesn't it? But that's how they put it when they say it).

So who determines what is the "right" way to fix the country?
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Date:August 12th, 2003 06:49 am (UTC)
I would totally have picked Yes except that I knew you were serious about this... Yeah, as much as it'd be nice to actually have some control over these things, I think it's better to know right out that the American public are idiots...
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Date:August 14th, 2003 08:21 am (UTC)
Jumping on the bandwagon a few days late....
I couldn't do it. I'm a hopeless idealist; that's why i'm a registered independent. And anyway, the real solution is not democracy, but secession. Let the loonies and idiots have their own fubar country; what we need is a Free West Philly.
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