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May 9th, 2005


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02:42 pm
watch this.
courtesy of xany

Very oddly possible. perhaps even probable.

(Yes, it's 8 minutes, but it's well worth the time. just clicky the linky.
trust the handbasket.)
mood: calmcalm

(21 bits of drivel | babble incoherently)

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From:road_to_hell
Date:May 9th, 2005 06:59 pm (UTC)
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Wow. Damn. Thats thought provoking if nothing else.
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From:inahandbasket
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:06 pm (UTC)
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yeah, that was my thoughts.
Not sure that I buy it entirely, but I could definitely see it happening. With RSS feeds today, you're getting sort of the precursor to the precursor of EPIC. I think we'll end up with something similar to their concept of EPIC in a few years, minus the Amazon tie-in.
Aka. a mass RSS feeder pulling from a main server (a la google), with customizable tags based on a tivo like preference system.
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From:prosicated
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:10 pm (UTC)
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Did I tell you I comandeered a class yesterday onto wikipedia, tagging, folksonomy, and cognitive mapping/info scent? Turning a bunch of really smart people who haven't run into that stuff before onto that whole field of associative logic/organization was waaaay too much fun.
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From:inahandbasket
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:16 pm (UTC)
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no, you didn't.
*cries* you never tell me anything!!!
*ducks and runs*
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From:prosicated
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:20 pm (UTC)
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In lieu of half of my project presentation, we side-tracked onto the tagging phenomenon, though I ended up explaining it as cross-references first so that the most library-bound of them knew where I was going. It was fun to watch everyone jump on it. In the end I just rattled off useful websites & programs (flickr, visualthesaurus, amazon, wikipedia, foundcity, trackback, most social networking services, etc.) to look at and finished my presentation.
It was so much fun to have them imagining familiar services like career tests and match-making into these vast tagged systems so that personalization happened instantaneously, and trying to imagine how data could be stored in a tagged environment.
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From:inahandbasket
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:21 pm (UTC)
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neato.
I really think I'd like a few of your classes... ;o)
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From:prosicated
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:27 pm (UTC)
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That's why you're supposed to ask me about classes instead of zoning out when I mention them. =P
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From:inahandbasket
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:33 pm (UTC)
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hunh?
sorry, wasn't listening...
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From:komos
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:10 pm (UTC)
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I have nothing to add beyond saying that I really liked the EPIC logo. ^_^
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From:inahandbasket
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:17 pm (UTC)
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hehe, yeah, I liked it too. ^_^
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From:road_to_hell
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:11 pm (UTC)
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heh, i don't neccessarily think its a bad thing like they play it. But I also enjoy mass consumerism.
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From:inahandbasket
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:16 pm (UTC)
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*shudder*
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From:road_to_hell
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:23 pm (UTC)
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You can't stop progress. :-P
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From:prosicated
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:08 pm (UTC)
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I demand a better company name than the one offered.

Makes me wish they put in a history of print media as it's evolved as well -- the authors pretty clearly based their hypothetical future on the "democratization" of print media, at least to my eyes they did. The parallel of media giants and net giants would make an eerier trap, escape one by making another, and all that...
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From:inahandbasket
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:20 pm (UTC)
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what, you don't think "GoogleZon" would fly?
*giggles8

Yeah, the one part they really glossed over was the transition from print journalists to net journalists. Someone, somewhere, still has to create primary materials for everyone else to paraphrase and leach off of. The system to pay for that research/material has to be in place before it will appear in any quantity. At the moment, just about every major hip news source (boingboing, metafilter, engadget/weblogs.com, etc) are all still pulling most of their material from entities which are mostly real life rags, and thus pay real journalists (mostly) to get news for them.
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From:prosicated
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:26 pm (UTC)
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No, I don't think Googlezon would fly. Besides, at some point the brand name would fall off in that kind of world -- it wouldn't be a brand, it would be the standard, don't you think? Epic would be the only name needed.

Yes and no, I don't know that I think print journalism would have a future in that environment -- journalists have things to write because they're in the right places, and it seemed to me like the idea was that if you cobbled together accounts from everyone present, since everyone blogs and is networked in that future, a machine would be able to sort out of "journalistic" viewpoint, and craft an article citing the players just like interviews.
In other words, it's what was happening at the conventions before the elections -- bloggers were making the news and commenting on it at the same time -- meaning that notions of integrity, truth, or unbiased reporting were blown out the window. The flash posited freelance editors as the new commentators -- collaging together a news window from multivocal content.
Boingboing, mefi, and others are already playing editor, not just blogger, culling relevant news to suit an audience and crafting it as they display it -- the idea is that they become primary rather than secondary sources.
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From:inahandbasket
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:47 pm (UTC)
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interesting...
I think you read more into it than was presented, but I like where you're going with it. ^_^

I take exception to the concept that there can be a direct leap from secondary to primary source status. mefi consists of a link to other sources, which (if you're lucky) are primary sources. Even if mefi takes the next step and automates the process, culling quips from other sources, it's still a secondary source, regardless of how small those quips are.
Primary is the person gathering the data. A machine colating the data will always be a secondary source.
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From:prosicated
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:52 pm (UTC)
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OK, I meant primary in a more elementary school research paper kind of way, not primary in a social science kind of way, good call. Because if we take your (more correct) definition then bloggers are primary, news articles are secondary, and mefi is poised somewhere in between in that data is gathered and analyzed/assessed in the same place as its presentation.
I'm getting very befuddled here and waiting for this to all make the paper I'm supposedly writing (which includes a lot of news articles which I'm giving a linguistic once-over for bias and associative histories) a lift.
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From:inahandbasket
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:54 pm (UTC)
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*grin*
back to work!
*cracks whip*
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From:oceanic
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:34 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, that thing is crazy. First time I saw that I spent the next ten minutes in my cube, blinking and repeating to myself "it's only a movie. It's only a movie. It's only a--WAAAAH GET IT OFF!!!"
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From:inahandbasket
Date:May 9th, 2005 07:47 pm (UTC)
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bwahahahaha
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