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October 30th, 2007


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11:51 am
Why one particular atheist is angry.

I agree with pretty much everything she had to say.
So I'll just add, "amen."
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From:inlaterdays
Date:October 30th, 2007 04:27 pm (UTC)
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And she thinks only atheists are upset about 9/11 and that Christians believe the red stripes on a candy cane "represent Christ's blood"?

These sweeping generalizations she makes about "religious people" are straw-man arguments. "Religious people" don't treat prayer as a personal shopping list for God. At least none of the ones I've ever met (including Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Wiccans, and Druids) do. This reads like a caricature.

And even if that were the case, why would she care if she really doesn't believe in God?
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From:secretlyironic
Date:October 30th, 2007 08:21 pm (UTC)
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If you've never met a biblical literalist, if you've never seen a classroom history timeline that begins with Adam and Eve in 10,000 BC, if you've never had someone tell you that Christianity is not a religion but the One Truth, if you've never seen Mel Gibson interviewed to the effect that his wife, all non-catholics, and all mainline Catholics after Vatican II are going to burn in hell... then maybe you don't quite grasp what that woman is talking about. Growing up around that kind of crap can poison you against even the mildest, kindest, most intellectually engaged religious people.

The following links do not represent the only kinds of religious practice in the US today, but they certainly represent actual people, and not just a few of them:
http://www.slate.com/id/2176547/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5464505634137914176
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpWTujwSlj8
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From:inlaterdays
Date:October 30th, 2007 09:03 pm (UTC)
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Extremism is bad in any form. The people in the links you cite come off the same way the poster in question does.

But extremists are not the best measure of most people. Mel Gibson certainly doesn't speak for all or even many Christians. And I'd hate to think that the blogger in question spoke for most atheists.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:October 31st, 2007 02:16 am (UTC)
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Christianity is not a religion but the One Truth

Well, I would be pretty surprised if a Christian took any other stance, actually.
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From:axessdenyd
Date:October 31st, 2007 02:21 am (UTC)
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...that last comment was me, it's only anonymous 'cause I didn't notice I was logged out.
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From:wanderyng1
Date:October 30th, 2007 08:22 pm (UTC)
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And she thinks only atheists are upset about 9/11

I don't think I saw anything in her article that said she felt only atheists had the right to be upset about 9/11. Nor did I see anything saying that she felt all Christians thought candy canes were covered in Jesus Juice. She expressed anger towards a particular incident. Each statement was a seperate bullet point on her list of grievances.

All I saw in this article was someone writing a rant with a particular slant. If I rant about the general religious leanings of this country, I'm usually looking at it through Jew-colored glasses. It's my general religious inclination, so I frequently look at things from that stance. She rather vociferously claimed herself an atheist; ergo she writes from that slant.
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From:inlaterdays
Date:October 30th, 2007 09:10 pm (UTC)
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She's claiming anger at 9/11 as an atheist issue.

She starts out her post:

1. Why atheists are angry;
2. Why our anger is valid, valuable, and necessary;


I was baptised Methodist, confirmed Presbyterian, was married to and was divorced by a Jewish man (grew up with him; more people in my neighborhood had bar and bat mitvahs than didn't, nearly converted), have been Eclectic Wiccan and Neo-Druid, and and been to Buddhist ceremonies and Catholic mass. Spent a long time agnostic. Now I'm going to church again.

There aren't too many people who match my particular spiritual history, but I'm not going to go yelling about the marginalization of [see paragraph above]. When I get angry about things, I take responsibility for it as an individual; it's not [see paragraph above] anger.

I think she's being silly, and I hate it when overprivileged people play the victim because they think it's trendy.
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From:inahandbasket
Date:October 30th, 2007 09:20 pm (UTC)
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ok, let's just take the single comment that you point out there.
"I'm angry about 9/11."

We can either see it as an atheist issue, eg: "I'm angry about 9/11" because it was perpetrated by Islamist fundamentalists.

Or we can see it in the context she placed it, as a contextual-preface to the statement following it about how whatsisface believes 9/11 happened because God hates America for harboring fags, sodomites, etc.
"I hate that 9/11 happened. I also hate that this dude claims it happened for x reasons."


I think she meant the latter, but I don't see how you can get pissed at that comment either way. They were Islamists fundamentalists, and killed $X people because their religion told them it was not only ok, but that they would be 'saints' if they did. The group responsible has said as much.
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From:inlaterdays
Date:October 30th, 2007 09:41 pm (UTC)
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But it's NOT about religion, again!

It's about EXTREMISM.

You don't SERIOUSLY think that all Muslims think 9/11 was a dandy idea?! It's the perversion and extreme stance taken on ANY idea - religious, philosophical, political, social, whatever - that is the problem. Not "religion".

Their religion does not tell them it's okay. The perverted, extremist, politicized faction of their religion tells them it's okay. It would make as much sense to blame politics as religion.
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From:wanderyng1
Date:October 30th, 2007 09:22 pm (UTC)
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I think she's being silly, and I hate it when overprivileged people play the victim because they think it's trendy.

So you know the author then? I checked her biography and she has some information on what she does for a living and where she lives:

I've been a freelance writer since 1989. I write books, essays, movie reviews, porn and sex toy reviews, other reviews, features, interviews, fiction (mostly erotica), irate letters to the editor, song parodies, and assorted commercial copy.

I am currently editing a new annual anthology, "Best Erotic Comics," the first volume of which is scheduled for publication in November 2007.

Among other things, I'm the author of "Bending," an erotic novella that's part of the three-novella collection "Three Kinds of Asking For It," edited by Susie Bright for Simon & Schuster. I'm also the editor of "Paying For It: A Guide by Sex Workers for Their Clients," a book of advice for sex work customers, written by sex workers and former sex workers, published by Greenery Press.

Apart from my books, my best-known pieces of writing are probably "Are We Having Sex Now or What?" and "Comforting Thoughts About Death That Have Nothing do Do With God."

I live in San Francisco with my wife, Ingrid.


I don't see anything in there that indicates she has lived a life of privilege. Where did you get your information?
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From:inlaterdays
Date:October 30th, 2007 09:44 pm (UTC)
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She has access to the internet and a job that pays. She lives in a high-income section of a very high-income country. That makes her more privileged than many of the people she claims to speak on behalf of, like the people Mother Teresa tended.
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From:axessdenyd
Date:October 31st, 2007 02:19 am (UTC)
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I hate it when overprivileged people play the victim because they think it's trendy.

Heh, I've been noticing that trend for a while now! It's really annoying.
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From:inahandbasket
Date:October 30th, 2007 09:13 pm (UTC)
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easy with the icons there killer.
I'm all about spirited discussion, but let's not get personal, m'kay?
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From:wanderyng1
Date:October 30th, 2007 09:16 pm (UTC)
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The Buddha apologizes for his use of Chugworth Academy icons :)
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From:inlaterdays
Date:October 30th, 2007 09:37 pm (UTC)
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I thought it was funny!
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