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October 30th, 2007


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11:51 am
Why one particular atheist is angry.

I agree with pretty much everything she had to say.
So I'll just add, "amen."
Current Location: work
mood: calmcalm

(82 bits of drivel | babble incoherently)

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From:oceanic
Date:October 30th, 2007 07:40 pm (UTC)
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I think you're persistently misunderstanding me-- your last sentence is exactly what I said in my other comment. It's not religion as an idea that bothers me, or that bothers the author of the original post. People can be religious, and that's just fine and dandy. Again, it's when religious ideas and morality are imposed in ways where it harms someone or robs them of their ability to choose for themselves. Examples of this are all through her post-- indeed it's the main thrust of it, besides feeling marginalized (which everyone seems to, for one reason or another).

Lastly, that's not what I'm talking about in terms of the shopping list. These are people who slough off any responsibility for their life or their actions, assuming that God has directed them, and will not only clean up after them but also provide them with everything they want. I'm familiar with the idea of giving up the reins in prayer-- this is not it.
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From:inlaterdays
Date:October 30th, 2007 08:55 pm (UTC)
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But it's not "religious" ideas and morality.

It's any ideas imposed on others without their consent, the way she is arguing should be done.

Again, I know far more irresponsible atheists than Christians or pagans or Jews. "This is all there is, so why bother trying?"

But I'm not going to make a post connecting the lack of religion with asshattish behavior, because that is an individual choice. It doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you believe in a higher power.
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From:oceanic
Date:October 30th, 2007 09:22 pm (UTC)
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Okay... I've come to the point where our differences of opinion are so massive that I think we're at an impasse. I've followed the twisting path to the point where I realize I'm not ever going to understand how you're seeing this, and clearly I'm not able to convey my points so that you understand them. I'm leaving this on agree to disagree, because otherwise I'm just going to start rehashing thoughts and quotes I've already said in here.
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From:inlaterdays
Date:October 30th, 2007 09:36 pm (UTC)
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Remind me to frown thrice daily in the direction of Richard Dawkins for continually setting the bar for research in popular nonfiction to new lows.
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