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October 30th, 2007

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11:51 am
Why one particular atheist is angry.

I agree with pretty much everything she had to say.
So I'll just add, "amen."
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Date:November 2nd, 2007 03:57 pm (UTC)
No, but it's hilarious to me that you're trying to argue with me about what I actually said, while insisting that I'm reading into statements on someone else's post.

You, sir, have mastered the art of unintentional irony! ;)

Okey doke, I'll go over it again. And then I'll drop it, because your responses have kind of degenerated to "you did so" and "she did not" and that's not argument, it's just contradiction, as Monty Python says.

Once again: "It seems so sad and unrealistic not to believe..." [emphasis mine] This is a fundamentally different statement than "I believe that an empty universe is sad and unrealistic."

LOL, no. Once again, again, you are omitting the all-important qualifying phrase "to me". Basically, you don't like my sentence structure, but that's just too bad. You can't change the meaning of what I said by lopping off inconvenient-for-you clauses, as you seem to want to do.

And I'm not personalizing this; I'm saying that she's silly to be calling her indignation "atheist rage" and lumping a mass of grievances in a bucket.

Do you disagree that gay marriage has been politicized in the US by the Christian right?

Yes. It's a political question, period. To make it a religious argument is hate-mongering. What is this "Christian right"? It's a boogeyman, the same way "the liberal media" is a boogeyman for hate-mongers on the other side. Most Christians believe in a separation of church and state, and many are pro-gay-marriage.

Or that the attacks on 9/11 were carried out by Jihadists?

Again, it's oversimplifying to call this a religious problem. It's equally a political problem. Does that mean I should say I'm angry at politics?
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Date:November 2nd, 2007 04:27 pm (UTC)
Adding "TO ME" to the phrase "It seems so sad and unrealistic not to believe..." does not change the meaning of the statement. That you may have mis-phrased the statement is one thing. To claim that I am mis-reading it is something else entirely. You stated that it seemed sad and unrealistic "not to believe," not that "the idea of an empty universe strikes me, personally, as sad and unrealistic." You may have intended the latter, but your statement expresses something entirely different. To say otherwise is strictly retcon.

How is stating that a large group of US Christians who are actively involved in politics and who have been at the vanguard of the push for a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman even remotely considered hate-mongering? It is simply a fact. Similarly, it is a fact that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by Jihadists. These facts are linked to religious belief. Neither the OP nor I have said that there aren't additional factors at work, but these facts remain: A large body of vocal Christians are working diligently to marginalize a portion of the population because their beliefs do not permit that population's lifestyle; and a small group of religious zealots successfully flew two passenger jets into the WTC.

You can be angry at politics all you like, but it does nothing to further a discussion about the merits of this blog post. It still appears that you are choosing to miss the point of the article because it is more important to personalize imaginary subtext rather than consider what was actually said.
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Date:November 2nd, 2007 04:32 pm (UTC)
Now you've degenerated further from "you did too" to "NO U".

I said what I said and you calling my ~original~ statement "retconning" is just silly. S I L L Y.

Over and out, silly person. I recommend remedial reading comprehension and a sense of humor for you before arguing on das intarwubs again. ;)
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Date:November 2nd, 2007 05:58 pm (UTC)
I'm calling your reinterpretation of your original statement to say something other than what is clearly written retconning. Pretty simple, really. Again, I'll grant that you may have mis-phrased the statement, but if you are incapable of seeing the difference between 'I think it's sad and unrealistic not to believe in a higher power, to me' and 'It seems sad and unrealistic that there is no God in the universe,' perhaps you might follow your own recommendations.

I've noted that your comprehension of the OP's post is lacking (and apparently deliberate). That you have continued willfully to misread and to misinterpret what the OP and what others have written in response to your screed and have relied on claims of hate-mongering and over-generalization instead of actual cogent argument rather suggests that you're bristling for the sake of bristling.

Why one particular atheist is angry. I agree with pretty much… - another LJ. or: how i learned to stop worrying and love this life-thingy

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